jeep : Lets not forget old grocery getters like the Commando and Cherokee. Fun forthe whole family, and available in 2wd. Yippie! Now those must be realJeeps. Then those old tame CJ-5/6's were replaced with the equally tame butwider wheel base Jeep CJ-7. At least more of a "Jeep" than some others...but the next year they tried the Honcho. Ok... is that a Jeep or what?Looks like a Ford Ranger on steroids to me. Course the Comanche pickup wasthe "sporty" replacement for that one. And of course that poor CJ-7 wasreplaced with the Wrangler - something that "poses" for a Jeep but borrowedthe Cherokee's parking lot suspension and was lowered to improve stabilityfor large grocery hauls complete with stupid square type headlights.But the Wagoneer/Cherokee was definitely the killer grocery getter, until ofcourse they made the Grand Cherokee (yikes!).Like an AMC Pacer? Dude, I see few of them these days on or off the trails.All this post of mine was rather tongue-in-cheek, but there's a LOT more toa Jeep than the steel under your ass. I hope you learn that someday.Perhaps not though... I hear it's a Jeep thing.
jeep : "Resent" isn't even a strong enough word for it Bill. My feelings aboutJeep changing are about the same as they would be if Chevy started offeringa V6 as an option for the Corvette. Some things are just inherently WRONG.I forget where I read it and who it was that was saying it, but the guy wassome rep for DC... He was saying something about the whole Jeep line slowlyconverting over to independent suspension, including the Wrangler, if theWrangler isn't dropped before then and replaced with another version of theLiberty, maybe a topless Liberty (anyone got any links? Bill?). The reasonI hate the Liberty so much is because I fear change for the worse. I hatethe fact that Jeep USED to be a good offroad/work vehicle, and now it'sbeing converted into a 4WD street CAR that is damn near worthless foroffroad/work. What will it take to get under YOUR skin? Discontinuing theWrangler to make room for the topless Liberty's?? Or will you even know orcare what the differences are?Mark my words, it's just a matter of time now before all the posts aboutlift kits, axles, lockers, and torque are replaced with posts about "how canI best lower my Liberty?", "how do I hook up my stupid ass alarm?", "what isthe best place to put my neon lights?", and "How big of wheels can I fitwith low profile tires?". Years from now anyone posting about taking a Jeepoff road, or using it as a WORK vehicle will be considered NUTS! I'vealready seen it, people asking, "Why would I take a $25,000 vehicle offroad?". I know Bill remembers that guy. The fact IS, DC is "taking Jeep ina new direction", and it's MY opinion that direction is DOWN.
jeep : The following was quoted from another website but I just had to put it inhere because it is SO true. Take a little time and READ IT, this guy hitthe nail directly on the head."DC is saying they took the Jeepster concept (WAY UGLY), and the Dakarconcept and combined them to produce the Liberty. Well...they ruined BOTH,and the Jeep name by doing so!The Dakar (essentially a 4 door Wrangler), was a pretty decent looking rigand WOULD have been a vehicle that filled a hole that there wasn't a Jeepavailable in right now. Same with the Jeepster....a "fun roadster", but notheavy-duty serious type vehicle...would have appealed to the "cutesy", butnot serious crowd more!What they have done is damaged the Jeep name with this KJ (Liberty) model.Yes, it might ride a little smoother (IFS), and it might have some otherminor appointments compared to past Jeep models, but that's where the"pluses" end!Basically...it is larger on the outside, SMALLER on the inside than acomparable current Cherokee! LESS "utility" in other words! Nearly 500 lbsHEAVIER all around compared to comparable Cherokee models, and barely better
jeep : .....you havent seen the icon? 4 wheel independent suspension tjreplacement. id be glad to mail you a picture, but im legally bound againstposting a picture of it online.I have to admit that I've been biting my tongue for a long time on the directionthat DC is going with the Jp line.I too am not a fan of the KJ. I've taken one for a ride and it is nice, but itdoesn't have the personality that a jp should have.I was fuming earlier today when I read an article somewhere on the net that wasabout an interview with a DC exec. He basically (reading between the lines) saidthat the jp line will eventually become so diluted by using common platformswith mitsubishis etc that the jp brand as we all know and love will dissapear.When I first heard about the Rubicon I came up with two theories: First; DC wasletting the jp engineers go wild to give them their swan song before they wereall "educated" in the ways of IFS, and secondly that maybe...just maybe, theRubi would become the only surviving version of the TJ. I'm seriously wonderingif the entire TJ line will be dropped except for the Rubi. That way if you wantan off-road vehicle, buy the Rubi. It would not surprise me. Look at the pricepoint of the Rubicon. Here in Canada, they're going for 32 to 35k. A Sportequiped with a D44 & trac-lok and some other minor options goes for around 29k!Cripes!!! I would pay the other 3 to 6k to get all the stuff the rubi comeswith. I would be hard pressed to upgrade a Sport to the Rubicon level for 6kusing aftermarket parts.
jeep : I'm pissed that the XJ is gone, as that would have been our second jp. The GrandCherokee is just too hoyty toyty for me! A liberty? Not a hope in hell. Thatthing is nothing more than a Rav4/CRX clone.Its become a sad state of affairs when the proud heritage that originally camewith the Jeep badge is diluted into a meaningless symbol ofcorporate/shareholder greed.Will I ever buy another DC product? Nope! Not with that kind of disregard forhistory, brand heritage and tradition.Then again, it shouldn't surprise me! My other passion, Harley Davidsons, got aswift kick in the gonads last year when they introduced their first water-cooledbike (V-Rod)! Butt ugly, lackluster performance, and overpriced. just like theKJ.Time to get off my soapbox. Thanks for listening (it's all Zorins fault forgetting me worked up). Time to go to the garage and toast two vehiclesrepresenting their respective dying breeds. <clink>Wow!That ICON is as wrong as two boys kissing.OOPS I'm not supposed to say that am I?Rich HarrisWell I am glad that I bought My wife a liberty vs. buying a Rav4, Crx, orsome other suv far less capable then the liberty . As for me it fit thebill. My wife wanted something with a good ride, cute, and had a goodreputation of durability. She loves her liberty, I love my TJ.
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